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    Wheel’s Post on Debbie Yow

    Since Wheels was having trouble uploading his post; I’ve reprinted it here.  Feel free to comment underneath:

    I’ve done a little research in my spare time this morning/afternoon.  I used
    the United States Department of Education’s Equality in Athletics Database for
    all financial figures reported below (these figures include only direct
    revenue and expenses of the sports teams and are not total budgets, which can
    be seen in the Bloomberg link at the bottom).  I used the ACC’s webpage for
    all ACC sports/championship information starting from 1994, the year in which
    Maryland hired Debbie Yow.  So the championship info includes 1994 to present.
    Please note that some sports have shared championships and that not all ACC
    schools offer the same sports (for example, there are only 4 men’s lacrosse
    teams).  I used the NCAA’s website to identify national champions. One final
    note, the ACC page for women’s soccer linked to the softball media guide, so I
    do not include ACC women’s soccer championships below.

    Lest anyone wonder who I am or think that I am some sort of Debbie Yow mole
    who has infiltrated The Soup, here’s a little information about me (you can
    even find me on Google if you look hard enough).  I am a professor of
    management at a public university in New England, who graduated from Maryland
    the same year that Gregg and Jeremy did.  I earned a PhD from the University
    of Oklahoma, and I teach undergraduate, MBA, and PhD courses in organizational
    behavior and human resource management.  I by no means am trying to impress
    you with credentials, but some people on here have actually accused me of
    hacking for Debbie Yow.  I think that my background demonstrates that I
    believe in evidence and drawing conclusion from that evidence.  I will let you
    all see the evidence below and draw your own conclusions about Debbie Yow
    compared to other ADs in the ACC.  She is the 2nd longest currently serving AD
    in the ACC behind Wake Forest’s AD. If you don’t like my evidence (which is
    all publicly available), then show me yours (hopefully also publicly
    verifiable). By the way, my semester ended this week…that’s why I have 4 hours
    to spend on this Soup project.

    The issues we’ve debated focus on how to define “success” for an AD.  Thus,
    you’ll see I’ve included ACC and NCAA championships, size of the overall
    program, and financial information.  I do not know how else to define success
    other in hard metrics.  I cannot speak about “relationship” performance
    because I cannot quantify it.  My conclusion is that if you think Debbie Yow
    is a poor AD, then you’ll probably think that every other AD in the ACC is
    pretty bad, too.  That said, let’s go to the info (and sorry it is so long):

    ACC Sponsored Championship Sports: 25 (baseball, men’s basketball, women’s
    basketball, men’s cross country, women’s cross country, field hockey,
    football, men’s golf, women’s golf, men’s lacrosse, women’s lacrosse, rowing,
    men’s soccer, women’s soccer, softball, men’s swimming, women’s swimming,
    men’s tennis, women’s tennis, men’s indoor track, men’s outdoor track, women’s
    indoor track, women’s outdoor track, volleyball, wrestling)

    Boston College (1 men’s soccer)
    Total ACC Championships: 1
    Total National Championships: 0
    Varsity Teams: 31
    Total Athletic Department Expenses (2008-2009): $43.45M ($1.3M profit)

    Clemson (2 baseball, 2 women’s basketball, 5 men’s golf, 1 women’s crew, 2 men
    ’s soccer, 1 women’s swimming, 1 men’s tennis, 2 women’s tennis, 6 men’s
    indoor track, 5 men’s outdoor track, 1 women’s outdoor track, 2 volleyball)
    Total ACC Championships: 30
    Total National Championships: 1 (men’s golf)
    Varsity Teams: 19
    Total Athletic Department Expenses (2008-2009): $34.79M ($3.97M profit)

    Duke (7 men’s basketball, 5 women’s basketball, 1 men’s cross country, 2 women
    ’s cross country, 1 men’s golf, 13 women’s golf, 6 men’s lacrosse, 1 women’s
    lacrosse, 3 men’s soccer, 9 men’s tennis, 10 women’s tennis, 3 volleyball)
    Total ACC Championships: 61
    Total National Championships: 1 (men’s basketball), 5 (women’s golf), 1 (women
    ’s tennis)
    Varsity Teams: 26
    Total Athletic Department Expenses (2008-2009): $47.13M ($0 profit, -$22M
    revenue/expenses with “non-allocated” revenue added to offset deficit)

    Florida State (4 baseball, 2 women’s cross country, 10 football, 1 men’s golf,
    8 softball, 1 men’s swimming, 1 women’s swimming, 8 men’s indoor track, 1
    women’s indoor track, 7 men’s outdoor track, 2 women’s outdoor track, 1
    volleyball)
    Total ACC Championships: 46
    Total National Championships: 1 (football), 3 (men’s outdoor track)
    Varsity Teams: 17
    Total Athletic Department Expenses (2008-2009): $36.12M ($1.3M profit)

    Georgia Tech (3 baseball, 2 football, 7 men’s golf, 3 softball, 3 women’s
    tennis, 1 women’s indoor track, 2 volleyball)
    Total ACC Championships: 21
    Total National Championships: 0
    Varsity Teams: 17
    Total Athletic Department Expenses (2008-2009): $31.82M ($0 profit, $14.86M in
    “non-allocated revenue added)

    Maryland (1 men’s basketball, 1 women’s basketball, 6 field hockey, 1
    football, 3 men’s lacrosse, 6 women’s lacrosse, 3 men’s soccer, 1 softball, 1
    women’s swimming, 4 volleyball, 2 wrestling)
    Total ACC Championships: 29
    Total National Championships: 1 (men’s basketball), 1 (women’s basketball), 4
    (field hockey), 7 (women’s lacrosse), 2 (men’s soccer)
    Varsity Teams: 27
    Total Athletic Department Expenses (2008-2009): $32.27M ($280K profit)

    Miami (1 baseball, 2 women’s indoor track, 2 women’s outdoor track)
    Total ACC Championships: 5
    Total National Championships: 1 (football), 2 (baseball)
    Varsity Teams: 15
    Total Athletic Department Expenses (2008-2009): $40.04M ($7.5M profit)

    North Carolina (1 baseball, 5 men’s basketball, 8 women’s basketball, 3
    women’s cross country, 6 field hockey, 3 men’s golf, 2 men’s lacrosse, 1 women
    ’s lacrosse, 1 men’s soccer, 1 softball, 5 men’s swimming, 7 women’s swimming,
    1 men’s tennis, 1 women’s tennis, 2 men’s indoor track, 10 women’s indoor
    track, 3 men’s outdoor track, 9 women’s outdoor track, 5 volleyball, 9
    wrestling)
    Total ACC Championships: 83
    Total National Championships: 2 (men’s basketball), 1 (women’s basketball), 5
    (field hockey), 1 (men’s soccer), 9 (women’s soccer)
    Varsity Teams: 28
    Total Athletic Department Expenses (2008-2009): $37.63M ($192K profit)

    NC State (10 men’s cross country, 8 women’s cross country, 1 softball, 1
    outdoor men’s track, 5 wrestling)
    Total ACC Championships: 25
    Total National Championships: 0
    Varsity Teams: 24
    Total Athletic Department Expenses (2008-2009): $26.87M ($709K profit)

    Virginia (1 baseball, 1 men’s cross country, 1 football, 5 men’s lacrosse, 5
    women’s lacrosse, 9 women’s crew, 6 men’s soccer, 1 softball, 10 men’s
    swimming, 6 women’s swimming, 5 men’s tennis, 1 outdoor men’s track)
    Total ACC Championships: 51
    Total National Championships: 3 (men’s lacrosse), 1 (women’s lacrosse), 2 (men
    ’s soccer)
    Varsity Teams: 25
    Total Athletic Department Expenses (2008-2009): $44.69M ($3.4M profit)

    Virginia Tech (3 football, 1 men’s golf, 2 softball, 2 women’s indoor track, 2
    women’s outdoor track)
    Total ACC Championships: 10
    Total National Championships: 0
    Varsity Teams: 17
    Total Athletic Department Expenses (2008-2009): $35.74 ($1.98M profit)

    Wake Forest (3 baseball, 2 men’s basketball, 1 men’s cross country, 1 women’s
    cross country, 3 field hockey, 3 women’s golf)
    Total ACC Championships: 13
    Total National Championships: 3 (field hockey), 1 (men’s soccer)
    Varsity Teams: 16
    Total Athletic Department Expenses (2008-2009): $29.19M ($768K profit)

    Ron Wellman: Longest serving AD in ACC (hired 2 years before Yow)
    Salary Information of Athletic Directors by Conference:
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aYYY_mDwYMkY&refer=us

    • CT
      A lot of this comes down to how success is measured, which Wheels and others have mentioned throughout the debate. On the one hand, Yow has certainly brought several national championships to multiple sports at College Park, and in turn raised visibility for those sports and the school in general. For that she should be commended. But, importantly, she has failed in her attempts (to the extent she has in fact attempted) to maintain positive relationships with arguably the two most important coaches on campus - Gary and Fridge. Of course, all three have strong personalities, and the coaches shouldn't get a free pass for their own failures in relating to Yow. However, in my opinion, there is to some degree an added level of responsibility on the AD to mend fences and find a way to co-exist positively with Gary and Fridge; she is, after all, in charge.

      The Evans-Worthington situation last year was a perfect example of exactly how NOT to deal with your coaches, and my view of Yow will forever be colored by that incident. Whatever issues/frustrations were bubbling under the surface, that situation should have been handled in house. Instead, the AD's office (Worthington, at least with Yow's blessing, if not her urging) went out of its way to undermine Gary and the hoops program in public, which was flat out wrong. Even if Gary and his staff bore some blame for the way Evans' recruitment and signing were handled, the info should never have come out the way it did, with the AD's office taking a direct shot at one of its own coaches, in the city's most notable newspaper, for all to see. What a disgrace.

      You can't judge her on her successes and failures without taking into account her strained relationships with the revenue sport coaches, assigning some blame to her for the way those relationships have soured, and considering how the soured relationships have and in the future may negatively affect the football and hoops programs. These failures are as much a part of her legacy as the multiple national championships and other successes that she has achieved while at MD.
    • Wheels
      "These failures are as much a part of her legacy as the multiple national championships and other successes that she has achieved while at MD."

      I think that is a totally fair assessment and think that's what sites like The Soup can be useful for documenting. What got me on this whole diatribe is that some people have this knee-jerk "fire Yow, fire Gary, fire Ralph" reaction. Like any of these people are all positive or all negative. It really bothered me that so many people just put the blinders on without at least acknowledging the pros and cons. I am putting together another post on "Is MD a Hoops School". This is how we think of MD, but is it true beyond the passion of people on this site?
    • Jacob
      Thank you for the research and print-out Wheels.
      It seems to me that by the numbers, Maryland Athletics has been one of the largest and more successful programs in the history of the ACC. Heck, even this year so far we're number five in the Director's cup which is a national award.

      I angers me that other ACC schools can talk about "winning traditions" and "athletic excellence" when by the data - they sure don't seem to have much to show for their traditions or excellence. I guess anyone can write anything on a bumper sticker.
      Now, I don't know how many of those ACC or National Championships we can actually attribute to Mrs. Yow, the same as I'm not sure how much of the economic upswing of the late 1990s can be attributed to President Clinton. But you have to agree that there is some degree of causality.

      It sure does annoy me that other schools around the ACC continue to believe they're right about their school's athletic tradition (as adamantly as the Bible Belt refuses to accept evolution) when the hard numbers prove them wrong. How can we talk sense into those mis-believers?
    • idkwid
      Thank yoou Wheels, i think Yow has been successful, both in footbazll, which we reaally traditionally do not expect the best of, basketball m & w, and other sports. she has built a great overall sports program, produces positive revenue, expanded our captal facilities. She can be hard to deal with, she has a lot on her plate. It takes a strong type a ppersonality to do her job. Sure, i can complain about soem things, but i am glad she has been here.
    • Ricksterps
      Wheels research shows why we really need Gary and Deb to kiss and make up (I think I just threw up in my mouth a little). They are both going to be here for the next few years so hopefully they get it worked out.

      One question I have is why do ADs get fired? Do they get fired for not balancing the budget? Do they get fired for all the sports doing poorly? Or do they get fired for the performance of their football and basketball program?

      I see another post above this one so I probably won't get any responses. I am not asking because I think I know the answer I really would like to know why most ADs lose their job. We fans may have different priorities than university presidents.
    • Wheels
      My take on the whole thing from my perspective is that ADs get fired for two reasons: 1) the president doesn't like them (just happened at Bradley U...new president didn't like the AD and fired him), and 2) they raid the general fund to offset poor fiscal performance (which relates to football and hoops performance...football is the real cash cow and hog...85 scholarships, 10+ coaches, massive support staff, high insurance...but fewer teams to split the pie, so the revenue sharing is greater...that's why the BCS doesn't want a playoff...it expands the pool of teams getting the revenue. Do the math on March Madness with 300+ teams sharing revenue versus 120 sharing almost as much revenue but really 70 ish sharing in the BCS money).
    • I think normally they get fired if they do something REALLY stupid. Maybe trying to raise support to fire a hall of fame coach and failing. Maybe signing some sort of really dumb contract that hanstrings the football or basketball program. Stuff like that gets ADs fired...
    • Gregg
      Jon is right, though I don't forsee much changing in the near future. Gary and Fridge have never been the best of buddies, but they have come together to fight a common enemy. I'm sure it's no coincidence that Gary was very forthcoming in the Times article about the assistant coaches. Any bad press that makes Yow look bad makes Gary a happy man.

      However I don't see any Yow leaving and I don't see Gary going anywhere either. If they could both find some way to co-exist for the better of the program then great, but both their egos get in the way and I fear there will be issues for years to come.

      Also worth mentioning, I heard at a recent dinner, Gary spoke of next year's class and, of course, did not mention Ross by name, but did say that there is some tampering going on with his recruitment. While, it's not really 'tampering' unless Ross had signed his letter of intent, it seems like Gary will not be going quietly with the Ross situation.
    • NYMets9631
      Gregg that is really interesting information in regards to Ross. I feel bad for Gary if that is true and hope to god he ends up coming out on top. Is their any indication that you could sense that Ross still may end up with us?
    • Jon
      You can't quantify certain things and the AD has an adversarial relationship with the two revenue generating head coaches. We have 27 sports even though our donations to the Terrapin Club are much smaller than many of the ACC counterparts and we cannot support this many programs because it hurts football and basketball. We have to sacrifice funding our money making sports to fund the olympic sports that we have too many of. Just counting championships isn't relevant because Debbie didn't hire all the coaches and just because she was AD while some teams were good it doesn't mean she should get credit for it. Your research is nice and all but most people realize Yow should retire soon for the best of our athletics department.
    • kaze
      Can we call you Tony?
    • Wheels
      All rejections go to Anthony. Keeps Tony much more balanced.
    • kaze
      Did you know we've kind of been in the same business? I was once GAO's top HR expert. You probably read some of my reports. We could have used you.
    • Wheels
      Hey...if you are still in the HR world and I can ever be of any help, now you know where to find me. Drop me an email.
    • kaze
      I never was an HR officer, but rather the guy running studies of other agencies' programs. Nothing every changed or ever will in HR bases on "systems." Call me old fashioned, but it's culture and leadership--good hires, a mission, lots of freedom. But the feds still think you can bribe people with performance-based compensation, or "train" them for a few hours or days at a time and call it done, or make supervisors out of people so that you can justify a pay raise, even if they've got no aptitude. It's a good thing the federal government doesn't have to turn a profit. Thanks for the offer, bud.
    • Wheels
      Funny you mention the good hires...just got done doing blog post for a HR thing saying that selection is the most important thing a company can do...junk in, junk out. And it all comes back to culture.

      I'm sour on "leadership" as a company controlled issue. You can't train people to be good leaders, much like you can't even train people to be good managers. It's too personality based. I used to do a ton of consulting for the Fed, and the only organization I've ever seen as poorly run as the Fed was Caterpillar Inc. Same problem...they are not really subjected to market forces, so there's no competitive advantage gained by running the place right.

      But that's neither here nor there. Any Soup people still reading this are probably bored by this!

      Rick...you can always find me, my man. I'm here on The Soup!
    • Ricksterps
      This is cool stuff for me. I am in management myself and have had may conversations about this subject.

      Having worked in DC most of my life I have seen the Fed up close and personal. It's the Peter principle. They really do promote people to their level of incompetence.

      Working at a law firm I see the political side of all that. You have attorneys and staff and you have to know both worlds. They are separate but both have a big impact on the other.

      We do a good job of hiring good people but once you are in we are really cautious in letting anyone go. People hang around way too long at times.

      Fun stuff...
    • Wheels
      I bet this sets up a passive-aggressive situation because no one wants to be the bad guy who fires people. Instead everyone knows who the poor performers are (even the poor performers!) but no one wil say or do anything in the open about it. Sets up an odd culture where everything looks fine but under the surface things are brewing.

      If you all want to read a great book about dealing with problem employees, check out "The No Asshole Rule" by Robert Sutton, who's at Stanford. He said his proudest moment was getting "Asshole" written in the NYT book review and best seller list! His ultimate recommendation is to get rid og the asshole at all costs, even when the asshole is a good performer. The collateral damage done by the asshole outweighs any good. I could go on forever...my apologies.
    • kaze
      Wheels and Rick - The three of us may need to set up a cool guys HR blog or we may shut down the Soup. But that's my past. I do a literary blog now, believe it or not. And Wheels, you've got years to go in the HR field and I'll bet the HR "innovations" peundulum keep swinging but nothing changes. In managing people, you either get it or you don't get it, and statistically there just aren't enough people who get it to go around.
    • Wheels
      What's the blog...I've read a book or two in my day...but just one or two. I do like to feel smarter, though, so what's the blog?
    • kaze
      Try this: www.317am.net
    • Ricksterps
      I think you guys are way too smart for me :)

      You have it dead on Wheels. Exactly how it is at pretty much all firms. I do work for pretty good one so I shouldn't complain.

      I will be reading that blog Kaze. Very good stuff.
    • kaze
      Thanks, Rick. Merry Christmas! You, too, Wheels.
    • kaze
      That thank-you was sincere. I read it over and it sounded sarcastic, which it definitely was not.
    • Ricksterps
      I must suck at Google searching since I still have no idea who Wheels is...
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